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Bangsa Malaysia Berikan pendapat anda bagi mewujudkan BANGSA MALAYSIA!

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Old 26-07-2005, 11:26 PM
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K Haridas to Malaysiakini.com
Jul 26, 05 1:38pm

With regards to your report Malay dignity and survival at stake, I do not think at issue is the survival of the Malays. They are confident enough today and the stage of survival is well behind us.

However, the more challenging issue relates to their sense of dignity as a people. Here the 'Malays' will have to take a hard look at themselves. They today monopolise the civil service, the armed forces, the police and the local councils to name a few. These are facts that are visible.

They have very good representation in the government-controlled companies which they manage professionally. In addition there are several trusteeship companies for them that have representations in the private sector. These range from companies in the plantation, transport and banking sectors.

Let us give due credit to the achievements of the NEP. Without a sense of gratitude, we will all be overwhelmed by sheer greed. But let us also admit that there have been weaknesses in the implementation process. I remember the days of the 'pink forms' for IPO listings week after week. There were several special allocations for the bumiputera community.

The sad part of this exercise was that they took advantage of it and sold their shares and made good money. Had this been managed in a more appropriate manner, whereby they were only able to sell a proportion while the rest should have been held for a period of five years or more, then today their equity holding will be more than 30 percent.

There can be no dignity without honesty. All affirmative action policies must have a time duration - they can never be eternity for if this becomes so, then the survival of the Malays would really become a serious issue.

Such policies aim at achieving social justice and equity while at the same time empowering people to be self-supporting. Without gratitude and an expression of where you have reached, any demand for extending the NEP affects the dignity of the community.

The onward journey is a Malaysian journey and within this context the present shortcomings must be addressed. At the same time, consideration should be given to all poor and needy Malaysians across the ethnic board.

We must move our multiracial nation forward and onwards. A Towering Malay is not one who speaks of Malay needs but of Malaysian aspirations in the context of which Malay needs and targets will also be met.

Had some at the Umno general assembly spoken out for the need to address corruption by making the ACA an independent body and by scrapping the Printing Presses and Publications Act and the ISA, they would have painted a picture that would have seen a great response in many progressive Malaysians.

With the Internet, globalisation and the ‘glocal’ mindset, we need new ways of thinking and managing old issues. Our stunted democracy needs space to match our impressive economic development. Otherwise we will continue to read about scandal after scandal.

There is no running away from this. By opening up, a lot more Malaysians can be enlisted to help create a progressive, efficient Malaysia. Sadly, Umno Youth has once again missed the bus by being more Malay than Malaysian and despite credentials from Oxbrdge, there is still a long way to go.

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Old 27-07-2005, 02:29 AM
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Ipohan,
Another great and timely posting!
As we all know, it's human nature to spend lavishly or waste if it is easy money. It is apparent even among the wealthy families, when the fortunes are passed on down to the 3rd generations.
Unless the wealth is earned and accumulated through one's own hard work and sheer determination, there is really no true incentive to treasure that wealth. Let alone the pride and satisfaction one could derive for accomplishing that goal.
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Old 27-07-2005, 11:11 PM
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I thought he is our hope. I thought he represents the future of all Malaysians. But I am completely wrong. My hope on our beloved country of becoming a Great Nation is diminishing.

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Impatient Umno politicians sowing distrust
Dr Jacob George to Malaysiakini.com

Jul 27, 05 2:23pm

In utter sadness, I cannot but state that there is a need for a more moderate voice to be heard in the battle against political, religious and racial radicalism in this country following what was clearly seen last week at the recent Umno general assembly.

These ‘next generation of politicians’, to my mind, were utterly disgraceful. There was no need for any quarter to engage in fiery speeches with a kris in one hand. No one is threatening nor intending to abuse any one quarter’s rights and needs.
No one had - prior to the Umno assembly - even engaged in any discourse touching on any one’s constitutionally guaranteed rights and privileges. Yet, like a mantra, certain individuals (perhaps bankrupt of ideas) had to needlessly resort to bringing up this sensitive issue.

Embarrassingly, lessons have not been learnt even by those who have had their education in the West. Nor is there awareness of the seeds of distrust that can be sown by impatient politicians through fiery speeches devoid of substance but presented all the same for personal gain.

It would have been more meaningful if they had used the same energy against those of their own kind who had betrayed and manipulated handouts for immediate short-term gains out of perverse greed.

It was certainly not the marginalised minority or the other races in this land at whom this anger should be directed at.


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Old 27-07-2005, 11:55 PM
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NEP had widened gap between rich, poor bumi
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Jul 27, 05 3:00pm


The issues discussed and reported in the mainstream media involving the recently concluded Umno general assembly brings concern to Malaysians of all races. It is foolish to deny that the racial undertones at the meet did not cause a measure of alarm among the non-bumiputeras in our country.

We have either deliberately chosen to ignore the real reasons behind the whole issue of under-achieving and marginalised Malays despite all kinds of privileges and hand-outs or the powers-that-be must be blind.

Why is it so hard to face facts? Why not just admit that all these hand-outs and demands for more and more concessions and quotas are just a shoddy attempt to enrich the few who are privileged enough to connect with those in power?

When exactly did the NEP and all those well-thought out schemes uplift the bumiputeras? When did they actually benefit the bumiputera man-on-the-street? I see the kampung folk as poor as always.

I see the Malay small traders, teachers, the salaried man, the housewives with half-a-dozen kids, entire families on motorcycles all of them struggling to make ends meet.

It is a shame that the NEP had only succeeded in creating a bigger gap between the rich bumi and the poor bumi. Or is it more correct to say the elite bumi and the ordinary bumi? That is the reality of the plight of the bumis.

And I certainly agree that after so many years of independence, it is sad to face the reality that sometimes, the non-bumiputeras are made to feel like we do not have a right to call ourselves Malaysians.

When it serves their purpose, it is demanded that all of us show our loyalty to our country, whether by words or action. It is not enough that we are born and bred here, that our parents were also born and bred here, that this is our home and that we accept a way of life imposed on us which sometimes puts us at an unfair disadvantage.

If we do not agree, then we are told, If anyone doesn’t like it, just get out of Malaysia.


Why is it that our government does not see that abject poverty also affects the Chinese and Indians? The marginalisation of the poor and disadvantaged, regardless of their race, is simply morally wrong.

If we are to face the truth, there are many Malaysians be they Malay, Chinese or Indian, who live a life poorer than that of the immigrants (legal or otherwise) who come to our country, who take away our jobs and our money and in the process, create a lot of hellish social problems for us.

Umno can make demands, and where necessary, even intimidate the rest of us into accepting policies which are morally questionable. I wonder whether at the end of the day, when it has eradicated Malay poverty, will they then have a compassionate heart and have pity on the marginalised Indians and Chinese?

Will they be generous enough to extend a helping hand in the same manner they helped their own race? Then, maybe we can truly see the spirit of Bangsa Malaysia. Just as there exist a gap between the successful and rich bumiputeras, there also is a huge gap between the rich Chinese and Indians and the ordinary folk.

So please, for goodness sake, do not talk as if there are no deserving non-bumiputera folk out there who also need a helping hand. We too, wished that we have a NEP to help us get out of the rut.

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Old 28-07-2005, 11:46 AM
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Dato' Seri Lim Keng Yaik spoke out against the NEP but too bad Pak Lah was mum on the issue during the UMNO assembly. LKY spoke about it because it was election time for gerakan. But I think he would have spoken out anyway since he is going to retire with nothing to lose.
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NEP: Umnoputeras have betrayed nation
Yue-han to Malaysiakini.com

Jul 28, 05 2:07pm

The call to revive the failed New Economic Policy (NEP) is, to say the least, reactionary because it is premised on the outdated assumption that the alleged backwardness of the Malay community is attributable to a negative role played by non-Malay Malaysians and Western colonialism of the past. Let us critically examine and dismantle this outdated assumption.

While it was true that Malaysia was once colonised by the Portuguese, Dutch, British and Japanese (and again British) imperialism, it is also equally true that Malaysia has achieved independence since 1957. And in the past 48 years, Malaysia has benefitted from Foreign Direct Investment (FDI), technology transfer, military assistance as well as foreign aid for economic development.

Thousands of Malaysian students and academics, including many bumiputeras, have received scholarships and study grants from developed countries to upgrade themselves.

Therefore, the ‘West’ has paid back and to continue to harp on the past injustices of the colonial times does not seem to be very honest.

Also, non-bumiputeras had suffered enough during the 20-year implementation – and gross abuse – of the New Economic Policy from 1970 to 1990. Thousands of qualified Chinese and Indian youths were deprived of higher education opportunities in their own country.

Many families were tremendous financial strain because of the need to send their children to Britain, Australia, the United States, Singapore, Canada or New Zealand for further studies. Businessmen, meanwhile, had to struggle not only against foreign competition, but also domestic discrimination.

Meanwhile, the exclusionist policy of the civil service with regards to recruitment ensured that non-Malay Malaysians could not rely on the state for a government job.

Personally, I think the sacrifices made by non-bumiputeras could have been considered worth the while had the income, wealth and economic opportunities of the country been distributed productively and equitably within the bumi community. But what happened?

The income, wealth and economic opportunities sacrificed by non-bumis for the bumis has been milked by a clique of Umnoputeras to enrich only themselves and their children besides being wasted on conspicuous and vainglorious consumption by a tiny portion of the crony class.

Is it fair to now ask the non-bumis to sacrifice and suffer again for this sin of betrayal and breach of trust committed by the Umnoputeras against the bumi community?

Look at Putrajaya. How many - bumis and non-bumis alike- have actually benefitted productively from it? The same can be said of other white elephants.

Look at the AP list. How many squatters, fishermen, hawkers, taxi drivers, policemen, soldiers, factory workers, farmers, small-and-medium businessmen, teachers, nurses and lower ranking civil servants – be they Malay or non-Malay Malaysians – have benefitted from this lucrative handout from the state?

Seen in this light, it is clear that any revival of the NEP would be tantamount to a repetition of a known failure. Why repeat a known failure? Are we out of our mind?

It is time Umnoputeras come to their senses and ask for the forgiveness of the whole nation for the sins they have committed against their fellow citizens over the past 35 years. It is time Malaysian for all races to unite and say no to the predatory greed of these Umnoputeras.


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NEP: Feeling UnMalaysian by Dr. Cheah.

The annual UMNO meeting recently has been a fiery one from the reimplementation of the NEP to the controversies of the issuance of APs. The rhetoric of the Malay agenda has been strengthening as the years roll on. In comparison, the tone in the MCA meetings running concurrently is much more mellow.

The talk of reintroducing the NEP to me is disturbing. Despite years of protectionist policies, the Malays are claimed to remain second to minority races in Malaysia. This is perhaps true when we take Malays across the board i.e. both rural and urban Malays. The undeniable demographic fact remains that more Malays populate rural communities. Rural communities will definitely have a lesser earning power and have less access to infrastructure so easily available in more urban settings. So when national statistics are drawn involving all Malays, the obvious discrepancy is perpetually present.

I agree that we need to raise the standards of living of Malays especially in rural communities. However, the challenge of ensuring that aid reaches those that are truly in need remains. The NEP has been exploited by many for personal gains. Reassurances that this will not happen again should be taken with a grain of salt. There is no concrete plan as to how "leaks" can be avoided when this policy is reimplemented.

Abolishing meritocracy is a step backward. There is only one meaning of meritocracy in this globalised world. Clinging on the the Malaysian mould of meritocracy is foolish and damages the credibility of Malaysian institutions. It will only make future generations more dependant on aid, as already evident in the youths of today.

Maintaining protectionist policies is racist in itself. Depriving one race of certain rights is racist.


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1. [n] a person with a prejudiced belief that one race is superior to others
2. [adj] discriminatory especially on the basis of race or religion
3. [adj] based on racial intolerance; "racist remarks"



Perhaps UMNO would like to change the definition of racist as well when they mentioned that NEP is not racist. I beg to differ.

Ultimately, it inevitably leaves many disenchanted. A dream when we can truly call Malaysia, our country, is shattered. Even in medicine, policies of the NEP have culminated in the derecognition of University of Malaya'a medical degree by the General Medical Council, UK and the downward spiral in the quality of medical graduates of today. Malaysia stands to lose in the long run. More talents will be lost and can potentially destroy a country that supposedly prides itself as being multiracial.

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Go to "www.malaysia-today.net" and see Ibrahim Ali speaking on meritocracy! You have to download to a media player and speakers.Speech is in Bahasa!Very
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Ibrahim Ali, a bankrupt politician, even UMNO don't need his service.
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Aug 5, 05 2:04pm

As Hishamuddin Onn pandered to the crowd during the recent Umno assembly, I cannot but help think of his late grandfather, Onn Jaafar.

The founder of Umno realised that Umno had an opportunity to define its role in the future of the country. With independence round the corner, Onn looked ahead and decided that Umno should take a broader view of its struggle and move beyond its narrow parochial existence.

He saw the dangers of racial polarisation in politics and he was acutely aware of the greater mission of nation building that awaited. He said and to quote (Ramlah Adam, 1994, p.213);

‘It is absolutely important for the Malays to obtain closer relations with other people in this country. It is time for us to take the new wider than the kampung view. Let it not be said that Malays are narrow-minded and suspicious.

‘We in Malaya today are witnessing an epoch of transition and changes. If we (the Malays) do not take heed of the changes around us, we shall be the losers.- Malay Mail, May 30, 1949.’

On Nov 20, 1950, he proposed that Umno membership be opened to non-Malays with full voting rights and equal opportunity for leadership roles. He suggested that Umno be renamed the United Malayan National Organisation.

However, Umno members and non-Malay community leaders were largely silent on the issue. Only Parti Buruh showed some positive support and suspended its nationwide campaigns to give Onn a chance to work out his idea.

We all know the rest of the story, and the subsequent demise of the Independence of Malaya Party (IMP) and Parti Negara. Surely, Onn was also a mortal and he has his own shortcomings. But in retrospect, we know why he failed. He was a man ahead of his time. Just how far ahead, we are still counting the years.

Today, if no Barisan Nasional leaders (specifically Umno's) share the vision of the late Onn, perhaps others will. The BN is no longer a coalition the younger generation wants or needs. We can no longer be fazed or satisfied by the hollow multiracial make-up and the elite bargaining system.

We want Malaysians under the same assembly roof to be treated as equals, consulted as peers and negotiated with as partners. This is the new manifesto of a rekindled flame of old. It is nothing original and certainly not novel, as it was first proposed more than fifty years ago.

Today, we have various parties that try to revisit this theme - DAP, Keadilan, Gerakan, PPP etc, but they, in one way or the other, succumb to a race/ethnic-based identity.

Perhaps it is a reflection of Malaysians in general. And perhaps a deep long look in the mirror and some soul searching is in order.

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