Mind makcik interrupts a bit here. I did not follow what is cock and what is talk. However, a voice is permeated, listeners and readers have their own views. Don't we LISTEN or READ to the content of the SPEECH or WRITTING even the person is already well know of his/her characters and behaviors publicly? Do give everyone a chance without your accumulated biases overtime? How could a person change in our mind if WE continue to keep the same "person" in our mind? I may not right, but just some views here. Gemukkk,
P/S: Makcik don't knows who is Marina and not connection what so ever to political persons. "Peace out"