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seantang 24-11-2006 02:42 PM

Strange mindset. Musings: By MARINA MAHATHIR
 
Strange mindset
Musings: By MARINA MAHATHIR
http://thestar.com.my/lifestyle/stor...&sec=lifefocus

LOOKING at recent developments, I think there should be a new association registered for the propagation of the shallow and superficial. It should be called, for short, the SS.

The SS is open for membership to people who have nothing better to do with their lives than look for monsters under their beds, enemies in their blankets or crosses in their buns. The first members of the SS are the people who believe that the path to hell is paved with ice-cream biscuits.

In case there are still people out there who only read the mainstream papers and therefore have been blissfully cocooned in ignorance, a group of defenders of the faith have lodged a report that a certain brand of ice-cream biscuits have (Christian) crosses on them, and therefore this is a grave threat to our faith. If any of us were unaware that all it takes is ice-cream to melt our faith, now we know.

The SS would comprise of people who really believe that their faith needs to be protected from confectionery, lipstick, books, magazines, songs, maybe even SpongeBob SquarePants. Everything should be scrutinized for their ability to creep into one’s soul and destroy one’s beliefs. Having laws that allow for this scrutiny would apparently show how superior and strong their religion is.

The SS are not in the least bit interested in any real issues that might truly be threats to their community. Not for them the trivial matters of poverty and hunger nor of people being bombed to death every day in Iraq or Palestine, or dying of diseases such as AIDS. Nay, these are unimportant compared to the dangers of ice-cream and lipstick.

In case anyone thinks I am making this up, some people might remember that in the days before the United States invaded Iraq, an e-mail listing out the brands of cosmetics one should not use because their lipsticks were not halal was passed around. Undoubtedly, several hundred thousand dead Iraqis later, those who boycotted those lipsticks feel very good now.

Let us not forget other SS members, those who should be conferred the special title Simple-Minded and Stupid, otherwise known as SMS. These are the sorts who believe every little message that comes into their hot little phones, no matter how unlikely.

Without even asking simple questions like “Is it true?”, they pass them on as if they were, well, gospel. Even worse, instead of just relying on electronic gadgets, which one can always blame technology for, they pass on these messages verbally to other members of the SS, all of whom accept everything the SMS say is literally The Word of God.

The alleged Word of God is then borne into action by Korrupt Kombative Knuckleheads, otherwise known as the KKK. These will do things like throw firecrackers into churchyards, destroy temples and raid married people’s bedrooms. Pretty soon we may find them dressing up in bedsheets and stringing up people they don’t like on trees.

One thing about the SS, the SMS and the KKK is that they never take responsibility for anything. Unlike hijackers, kidnappers and terrorists who want to be known as people who do bad deeds, the Malaysian versions don’t own up to anything. If SS or SMS talk about how Other People are bad, and the KKK then go and string up people by their necks, the SS and SMS simply put their hands up and say, “But I never told them to do that. I only mentioned these things in passing.”

Thus they can pass out simpleminded but dangerous messages without having to take the consequences. Unlike Other People who are constantly being threatened with all sorts of Dire Consequences should they so much as open their mouths. This is how less than a dozen people talking peace and goodwill can be told to shut up in the face of 10,000 talking war and hate. It’s the same sort of argument some Neanderthals make about cameras peering in inappropriate places; the victims shouldn’t have worn skirts.

The sad thing is that an association like the SS would have so many members in this country. While those who are reasonable, moderate and tolerant are getting marginalized every day.

The voice of hate is these days so much louder than the voice of peace, love and inclusiveness. Just as we don’t see the supreme irony of trumpeting our religious superiority while at the same time claiming that it only takes biscuits to destroy us, we don’t see the irony of extolling ourselves as a superior race while at the same time insisting on crutches and handouts.

Chinerama 24-11-2006 06:38 PM

Bravo!! :please: :please: :please:

Gemukkk 24-11-2006 07:33 PM

everyone can write columns in good english. everyone likes to condemn others (yeah, me too).

i would like to count what has she done to benefit the poor, orphans, special people, disaster victims, etc.
sadly, i cant go above 0 yet.
dia sudah tua and ada 'cable' besar (her father), yet i dont see anything all these years.

helping aids victim? give me a break. being a puppet head is no worthy pride to crow. please, her so-called sole achievement is an insult to all doctors in the goverment service (yeah, including my amoi).

SIS? yeah, yeah, yeah. so what has SIS managed so far?

talk about pot calling the kettle black. no action, talk cock only.

seantang 24-11-2006 08:15 PM

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Originally Posted by Gemukkk
talk about pot calling the kettle black. no action, talk cock only.

That argument is not an argument at all.

Just like how a lot of people called LKY a pot because he made some comments about a kettle marginalising other kitchen utensils.

Whatever they are deemed "eligible" to speak or whether they've paid their "dues" (whatever one might define those dues should be) to speak their mind... well, that doesn't concern us. Well, at least it doesn't concern me.

All that matters is whether these people are speaking the truth. I feel she is and I can guarantee you that 7.5 million Malaysians feel the same, even if that truth is not the accepted version by some quarters.

If one feels that there is a need to rebut her points, go ahead. I'm all ears. But to argue that her failings (whatever you perceive them to be), disqualifies her from pointing out the failings of others... is as I said, not even an argument

Gemukkk 24-11-2006 09:50 PM

sure she can say her thing.

and when there is no respect, it is easy to attribute her columns as rantings of a post-menopause woman.

at her position, there can be so many possibilities. look to the late lady diana...
as always, no action, talk cock only. typical bodohland attitude.

so if people want to listen to her, go ahead.

me, i'd rather exercise my rights. at least pas has won credible victories and made bn buckle up..

seantang 24-11-2006 10:18 PM

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Originally Posted by Gemukkk
sure she can say her thing.
and when there is no respect, it is easy to attribute her columns as rantings of a post-menopause woman.

Fair enough. I recall the same line of argument in the threads related to Perak's mufti. Only there, our roles were reversed and the post menopausal woman was a religious zealot.

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Originally Posted by Gemukkk
at her position, there can be so many possibilities. look to the late lady diana...
as always, no action, talk cock only. typical bodohland attitude.

Ah well... I'm not a former PM's daughter. So I have no idea what's possible.

All I can say is that she has given voice to the EXACT thoughts of non-Muslim Malaysians. Whether those views are fair or unfair, that's another matter.

Fact remains that if any non-Malay living in Malaysia writes an article like that in a mainstream newspaper, he's going to be wearing striped baggy pants with drawstrings, eating curry rice out of a tin can squatting barefoot next to drain... assuming that the newspaper will publish it in the first place. After all, we don't want to "force" millions to run amok.

Quote:

Originally Posted by Gemukkk
me, i'd rather exercise my rights. at least pas has won credible victories and made bn buckle up..

As will I during the next election. Not in support of PAS though.

Yugi 24-11-2006 11:04 PM

Very good article, Seantan.

Gemukkk, sorry to hear your voices here, sad to know... cyber Malay friends... :V:

Gemukkk 25-11-2006 01:23 AM

what's to be sorry about. i am against people who talk cock all the time but cant walk the talk. no need to stoke a fire when it is better to roll up your sleeves and do some real charity.

why cant she be like the late lady diana. no power, but when she speaks, the public listens and cheers her. she can bring change.
marina mahathir has opportunity and power (via her father). what has she done other than writing colums? nothing. i can talk cock like her also. no one will listen to me but then, i am not much worse than her. some people will listen to her, but no action jugak akhirnya..
even she herself havent come up with any solutions to the issue she herself had raised.

about perak mufti? yes, many people who dont know him tries to judge him. that's their right, of course.

those who attended the exco meeting on that very day would know how black our mb's face was when he, kpn and kp perak was summoned by the sultan. so many ministers kick a fuss yet none dared push for action against him.

that's the difference.
when mufti speaks, many listen and are willing to take action. many know him personally and thus, can judge his character.

when marina mahathir speaks, nothing happens. i am sure many who know her personally are also 'connected'. but as usual, nothing happens.

"Not for them the trivial matters of poverty and hunger nor of people being bombed to death every day in Iraq or Palestine, or dying of diseases such as AIDS."
-so, what has she done?-

"The voice of hate is these days so much louder than the voice of peace, love and inclusiveness"
-so, isnt she now being the voice of hate too? as a result, i am also a voice of hate, against her..-

talk cock, but no action.

seantang 25-11-2006 02:09 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Gemukkk
what's to be sorry about. i am against people who talk cock all the time but cant walk the talk. no need to stoke a fire when it is better to roll up your sleeves and do some real charity.

That may be so. I on the other hand, have much lower standards. As long as someone doesn't go through life believing some are born more equal than others, I'm pretty satisfied.

Quote:

Originally Posted by Gemukkk
why cant she be like the late lady diana. no power, but when she speaks, the public listens and cheers her. she can bring change.
marina mahathir has opportunity and power (via her father). what has she done other than writing colums? nothing. i can talk cock like her also. no one will listen to me but then, i am not much worse than her. some people will listen to her, but no action jugak akhirnya..
even she herself havent come up with any solutions to the issue she herself had raised.

I have nothing else to say. Seems to me, it's beef between you and her.

As for the solution, it's simple. Base economic decisions on economics and welfare decisions on welfare, there's the solution right there.

As for religion, it's even simpler. Accept that some people are different, have different beliefs and are ENTITLED to have these different beliefs, problem solved.

It's staring us in the face, but it's a rational solution. People are rarely rational, especially when race, religion and self interest are involved. Back to square one.

Quote:

Originally Posted by Gemukkk
about perak mufti? yes, many people who dont know him tries to judge him. that's their right, of course.

those who attended the exco meeting on that very day would know how black our mb's face was when he, kpn and kp perak was summoned by the sultan. so many ministers kick a fuss yet none dared push for action against him.

that's the difference.
when mufti speaks, many listen and are willing to take action. many know him personally and thus, can judge his character.

Yes, when he speaks, people take action. It's a pity though, that to many non-Muslims, they are distressing actions.

I judge people by how they impact my life and the lives of people around me. The mufti may be an excellent man to people who know him, like yourself, but to one who doesn't have the advantage of knowing him, but incurs the disadvantage of being affected by his actions all the same, I fail to see how his actions have improved race relations and religious tolerance.

People with power over other people's life have the basic responsibility of physicians (like your amoi). DO NO HARM.

Marina Mahathir according to you has done no good, but to me, she has done no harm either. To non-Muslims, she is even an understanding advocate.

The mufti according to you is a mover of men and mountains. But to my perception as a non-Muslim, he has done nothing but harm to religious tolerance.

To me, that's the difference.

Gemukkk 25-11-2006 02:37 AM

yes, the solutions are simple. sad that she cant execute such simple solutions. instead, she talks cock.
and thus, my beef. my first post already showed that clearly.


i havent seen anything mufti did that harmed religious tolerance. for all his fatwas, everything is clearly laid out and documented. kongsi-raya, murtad, etc. nothing in there against racial/religious tolerance.
the media just took the title/heading and spin everything, is all.
dont take my word but better visit mufti dept's website (download and read at your leisure) or set up an interview with him. or a blog interview.

ifyou are referring to the recent sms case, why was mufti not charged.
even the media didnt dare spin it so that it looks like raja sherrina is receiving instruction from mufti. if the media can spin mufti's fatwas, it should be no problem to spin this.


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